If you are getting more than 200 mg per week, that is getting into gray area IMO. When I initially started TRT: Immediate mental benefits. Which Aromatase Inhibitor you should choose and the dosage you use should be based on your own individual propensity to aromatization, what your blood work indicates, the dosage of the aromatizing drugs you are using, etc. Id put those low dose cycles against almost anything for a guy looking to get shredded and Original bloodwork collected 08-Jul-2020. I've been prescribed this through an endocrinologist and not one of these TRT clinics that seem to be popular, so I only pay $30 a month for the medication, plus $10-20 here and there for bloodwork and doctor's visits. The small gain of faster recovery, more muscle etc. My plan was to come off right about now and use the Torem I bought for Most normal otherwise healthy men who have low serum levels due to age related decline and exhibit symptoms don't need 200 mg a week. I cant even count how many times Ive seen a guy propose his entire cycle layout asking for feedback, and for some strange reason his AI dose is already determined prior to the cycle, and stays constant for the entire duration of the cycle despite other changes in aromatizing compounds occurring during the cycle. As others have said, .8 ml of 200mg test is the upper end of SAFE trt. And MAYBE winstrol. Privacy Policy. Reply [deleted] Additional comment actions Id want it separate as well. You could If so how do you feel on it? That was WITH me taking HCG. my TRT is also 150 mg per week, and I literally only need to use 12.5 mg of Aromasin once a week to keep my Estrogen in the sweet spot. Is it necessary? Zero health issues whatsoever, knock on wood. This guy was literally on the second strongest Aromatase Inhibitor there is, for a dosage of Testosterone that just keeps his Test levels at high-normal. E.G. WebMany men can take 200mg or more per week without need for an AI. Scan this QR code to download the app now. If these symptoms go away and your sex drive is perfect, you have no erectile dysfunction issues, etc. BBiceps Well-known member Awards 4 Oct 5, 2021 Is there anyone who is on 250mg per week and experiences no major side effects, bloat or moon face? Agreed^^^When I just TRT of 200mg of test c a week, I need an AI. For some 120 mg per week puts some people at 1500. There are several actions that could trigger this block including submitting a certain word or phrase, a SQL command or malformed data. Both scenarios are very unpleasant to say the least. Privacy Policy. WebCurrent dosing 0.25 mL of 200 mg/mL testosterone cypionate E3.5D (100 mg/week) intramuscular, vastus lateralis, using a 29 gauge insulin syringe. Some labs use a standard assay test, which is tailored for women almost exclusively, so you would be wise to request the sensitive assay version. WebFor eg starting with 200:200 mg per week. If this is your first visit, please REGISTER. I used to be obese and I lost weight about 3 years ago and that's when my problems started. I am attracted to women again, and it feels strange, because it's been a while, but it's not distracting. Week 1-12 500mg/week Testosterone Cypionate (Mon/Thur at 250mg), 0.5mg/day Arimidex. Music playing in my head again for the first time in months. (bloodwork provided for 150mg). Just the other day I had a consultation with a guy who told me about how he is on 150 mg of Testosterone per week for his TRT, and his doctor put him on 1 mg of Arimidex every day for his Aromatase Inhibitor. Archived post. Total test was around 700. I was planning to run 200mg - 250mg test per week before that anyway. Most men do well on E.G. After the anastrozole, symptoms have calmed down and I hold way less water on my frame too. This is far less likely to happen with the weaker AIs like Arimistane and Aromasin, but it is very common with Arimidex and Letrozole. - Proper protocols should not be exceeding more than 200 mg of testosterone cypionate per week. 350mg to 450mg NPP per week should yield some nice results. need some opinions on whether i should bulk or cut, 200mg of test for 8 to 12 weeks what do I need to take with it? you can conclude that your dosage of AI is satisfactory for the time being. 250mg test e per week is a high cruise or mini blast but you shouldnt need an ai unless you aromatase tons. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. Is it necessary to use an AI on 250mg of test per week? Archived post. 193.227.116.28 1mg a day is way too high to start. At the start of your cycle, these drugs are just entering your blood and havent even reached saturation levels, yet, a predetermined dose of Arimidex is being used to combat aromatization that may not even need addressing at the time, and that same predetermined dose is used later in the cycle where the amount of aromatization will be vastly different. flow1979 2 yr. ago. 6' 1" male at ~169 It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. BBiceps Well-known member Awards 4 Oct 12, 2020 #11 I use 1mg on 200mg Test C a week, it kept my estro fairly low (not too low), without it my estro got high (a couple Curious on thoughts. So, the key to staying in the sweet spot is getting your blood work done, and adjusting your AI dose accordingly based upon your current Aromatase Inhibitor needs. I'm really grateful TRT is an option for me. Symptoms: Worsening libido and exercise recovery over the past three years, eventually to the point where it interfered with my life too much (couldn't recover from cycling which is the main thing I do). and our Recent bloodwork collected 09-Sep-2020. Hello everyone. I had no symptoms of high Estrogen at all. Scan this QR code to download the app now. I can certainly bump up the test if I need to but have read that keeping test at 200mg/wk. Urge to engage in my hobbies. Most people dont need that much. If you need an ai at 200, maybe that's a lil high for your body. Gotta get bloods done to be sure. Im good with 300mg/wk test e with 25mg proviron ed. Depends on YOUR physiology but you might not need AI at 200. 160mg a week puts me right at the top of range and no ai (e also high but in range). 100mgs every 2 weeks will not. If you've read any of my posts about hormones, you probably already know by now how little faith I have in most general doctors when it comes to properly addressing underlying hormonal deficiencies and imbalances. This would be run with 500mg of test e per week. Common symptoms of high estrogen include: These are all quite unpleasant side effects, and it isnt uncommon to experience several of them at once if your estrogen levels remain too high or low. while having a potential 2 week ester, are more effective when administered more often. It's much healthier. Cookie Notice That was the first time I figured out my problems were from testosterone deficiency, and as expected, SARMs massively increased my recovery not just to normal levels but beyond (worthwhile experiment for sure). I'm currently looking to do around 300mg of test and 10mg of LGD-4033 for 8 weeks on this cycle to bulk as much as possible. This is the point Im trying to drive home with this article. Along with the testosterone I am taking 500iu HCG 2x week. Web65 comments. Libido: From a 0/10 to a 5/10. On 200 mg a week of test-c you should not need an A.I. Electing for a weaker AI in that scenario would be wise, and starting with a very conservative amount of it. Typically, most men feel their best when their estrogen levels lie between 20-30 pg/ml in their blood work. So, it should be pretty obvious by now that there is a vastly different amount of aromatization occurring at different points of this cycle. You can email the site owner to let them know you were blocked. I would say .5 EOD see how your body reacts and go 200 mg per week for me puts me in the 800s. TRT started 06-Aug-2020. You shouldnt need any AI on 200 a week, but you need bloodwork to know for sure. It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. 200 mgs per week is too high to start out with on TRT. Firstly it's a little concerning that an MD would prescribe stuff with obviously no real knowledge of endocrinology, buuuuut I'll take rx test from whoever lol. Check bloods on cruise pretty regularly Nac Well-known member Awards 3 Oct 5, 2021 #11 BBiceps said: In 1 or 2 shots? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. My natural test levels are about 700 ng/dl, for anyone thats wondering. Look closer, from week 1-12 the guy has proposed that he will be using 0.5 mg per day of Arimidex. If your doctor is forcing drugs like Arimidex on you, be 100% sure you understand how to interpret your blood work before you start popping pills and hurt yourself. For the most part, its been great. If I kept my AI dosage constant like that during a cycle (by cycle I mean a blast phase of a supraphysiological amount of highly aromatizing hormones), my experience would more than likely start out with me feeling symptoms of low estrogen, followed by symptoms of high estrogen later in the cycle once my level of aromatization had surpassed the inhibitory capacity of that particular dosage of AI. I am on my 12th week of Test-Cyp (250mg x2 per week). So, if theres not as much test circulating in his system as it hasnt fully built up yet, there wont be as much Estrogen in his system. It seems that AI usage has become so commonplace that users dont even bother to understand the purpose of the drug in the first place prior to implementing it into their regimen. It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. Alot of docs dont understand Testosterone. You could even get away with only 250iu's of HCG which would at least help with some e2. Keep in mind, Arimistane is the only over the counter Aromatase Inhibitor on that list, the other three are Rx AI's, and can only be obtained via a prescription from your doctor and should only be used under the direction of your doctor. Your IP: By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Cycle #4 40-60mg/day Anavar, 300mg/wk Primo, 300 mg/wk Test Prop for 10 weeks. My doctor prescribed me 200mg of test and 1mg of anastrozole , split every 3.5 days. Reply the-lone-squid Additional comment actions I didn't really use an A.I except for the first 2 weeks. Ur better off doing it more often to keep a steady blood plasma level. would be offset by the bad. /r/PEDs is dedicated to information about enhancing performance. Who uses no AI on 250mg of test per week? My question, do any of you guys run 200mg/week without an AI? Here are my starting and current numbers, Reference: Total T(348-1197) Free T(4.7-24.4) E2(25.8-60.7) SHBG(10-80), Starting 07/26: 543ng/dl 13.43ng/dl 43.2pg/ml 25nmol/L, Current 09/06: 1455ng/dl 47.41ng/dl 31.8pg/ml 19nmol/L. Ive done all my research, but I want to get rid of my last bit of uncertainty before actually starting. Consider this as an advanced cycle (not for first time users). So as expected, his libido nose dived, his dick ceased to work properly (no erections), he had insanely dry and achy joints, among a myriad of other horrible side effects. However, if you understand how these drugs work in the first place, you will understand there is a compounding effect with everything, and they take several weeks to fully saturate in your system. Week 14-16: Nolvadex 40 mg per day. Scan this QR code to download the app now. Cookie Notice Thanks!! Normally 100 mgs per week is the starting dose. These bloods were taken with no AI. Subscribe and get my 20 Underground Bodybuilding Secrets You Wont Find On Google E-Book 100% FREE. We won't share your information with anyone. (PCT) Week 15-17 100mg/day Clomid for the first 10 days, then 50mg/day for 10 more days. The action you just performed triggered the security solution. 200mg is kinda high. Nowadays, AIs are treated almost as on-cycle essentials, and are simply a necessity just like your multivitamin you pop each day is. Your not a pro level figure competitor so most probably need to train normally. Either drop the HCG or lower your test dose. Increasing stoicism and lack of interest in hobbies. WebThrough the data interpretation methods made available by the recent AI tools, researchers and AI companies have focused on the development of models allowing to predict the On 200 mg a week of test-c you should not need an A.I. Total testosterone - 60 nmol/L (1730 ng/dL)Oestradiol - 202 pmol/L (55 pg/mL)(This one didn't come with SHBG sadly), Total testosterone - 45 nmol/L (1300 ng/dL)Oestradiol - 212 pmol/L (57 pg/mL)SHBG - 18 nmol/L. ib00sti 2 yr. ago. Main thing is how I feel on the bike. I would say .5 EOD see how your body reacts and go from there. I don't feel like death all the time. For more information, please see our Dont be messing with bloods while your doctor gets you dialed in. You shouldnt need any AI on 200 a week, but you need bloodwork to know for sure. I use 1mg on 200mg Test C a week, it kept my estro fairly low (not too low), without it my estro got high (a couple of points over the recommended limit), so it looks like I need a AI. My E2 on 150mg/week usually hovered around 30-40. Cycle #3 500mg/wk Primo, 200mg/wk Deca, 200 mg/wk Test for 10 weeks. Week 8-12: Anavar 50 mg per day. if your TRT is 125 mg per week for example, and your doctor is giving you 0.5 mg of Arimidex twice per week, and after several weeks utilizing that protocol you get a blood test and your Estrogen levels show that you have a 5.5 pg/ml reading, you are using too much Arimidex, and probably shouldn't even be using Arimidex in the first place as such a little amount of it is crashing your Estrogen and it is too powerful of an AI for your particular needs. and our Then, for the next 8 weeks hes completely off of Dbol and adds in Anavar at the end for 4 weeks. In short this has been a game changer. 50mgs or even 100mgs E4 days will work very well. I administer every 3.5 days along with HCG @ 500iu each time. So, if there is differing amounts of aromatization occurring at different points of this cycle, as well as saturation levels increasing at different rates and heavily aromatizing compounds being swapped in and out of the cycle, does it make sense to be using the exact same dose of Aromatase Inhibitor for the entirety of this cycle? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Insane productivity, like coming out of depression (I wasn't depressed) almost and looking around and realizing all the stuff I've been neglecting to do, then doing it immediately because why not. NoNoNoNot 8 yr. ago. WebFirst cycle should be test only. It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. Started 200 mg Test C/week three weeks ago. I figured my E2 was climbing so I took .25 anastrozole which did nothing for ED or libido. I think its Most definitely not 1mg of Adex a day that's over kill. Disclaimer: The information included in this article is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. For more information, please see our By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. no ai needed (I only use 12.5mg asin once a week on 500mg test). Obviously the best way to confirm where your Estrogen levels lie though is via blood work. First was 500 mg test cyp per week and 50 mg Anavar per week. Week 1-12: Arimidex 0.5 mg per day. It isnt rocket science, however, many users seem to have completely neglected to comprehend why they are using an AI in the first place, and what purpose it serves. Testosterone Enanthate and Deca is a common combination with a cycle length of 12 to 14 weeks. Doc prescribed me 0.25mg Anastrozole 3x a week after blood work came back with good test levels but high oestradiol. Going to 1.0 ml COULD lead to thick blood and other bad side effects. while running approx. 6' 1" male at ~169 pounds pre, 174 pounds current. I can run 200mg per week with no AI but if I add HCG then my e2 skyrockets which will cause libido issues. ~15% body fat if I had to guess. Generally, the low end of a blast is around 300mg per week. It is not intended nor implied to be a substitute for professional medical advice. Our objective is to create an in-depth background of performance enhancing drugs from every background while building a community around discussion of these substances. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I wouldn't need that much of an Aromatase Inhibitor even if I was on 5x as much Testosterone as he is on per week. I'm injecting EoD into my delts using Sustanon (Please don't tell me to use another ester like test-e, as this is the only one I can access and have a prescription for, and this won't cause an issue with my doctor). Jan 16, 2015. Stupid question if you have to ask it. WebPrimo can be run in lower dosages (200mg - 500mg) but really has a fantastic effect when bumped up past 600+ mg a week. On 200 mg a week of test-c you should not need an A.I. Obviously the requirements will vary individual to individual dependent on your own genetic predispositions, but nobody would EVER need 1 mg of Arimidex everyday for TRT, and if they did they would be an extreme genetic outlier scenario, and even in a scenario like that I would bet money their Estrogen was actually in the toilet, or their Arimidex was fake/underdosed. No AI was needed what so ever. Anyway I've learned a lot from reading here on Reddit and figured I'd share this as a way of saying thanks and maybe helping someone else. At the 200mg dose of testosterone, you most likely will not need any AI. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. Thanks for the help. I was told the body recognises steroids as if they're testosterone, so the body 'thinks' it has enough testosterone, so stops production. Cookie Notice If so, how much? Privacy Policy. Please include what you were doing when this page came up and the Cloudflare Ray ID found at the bottom of this page. Scan this QR code to download the app now. Week 1-12: Test E 750 mg. Week 1-12: Equipoise 700 mg. Week 1-4: Dbol 40 mg per day. IMO its not worth itstay healthy and be glad your Dr. is allowing .8ml farrago November 13, 2013, 6:40pm 12 By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I'm 6'7 (200cm) around 245lbs (11kg) so I find that I typically have to run higher dosages of everything, but your situation may be different. The goal you should have is to keep your Estrogen between 20-30 pg/ml for the entirety of your cycle, regardless of what dosage of AI is necessary to achieve that. Here are my starting and current numbers Reference: Total T(348-1197) Free T(4.7-24.4) I do feel really strange to have needed treatment like this at such a young age, but my body's had a hard life I suppose with my history. 200mg I really dont need any anti-e's unless Im reversing some sensitive nipples from a big cycle before. Most definitely not 1mg of Adex a day that's over kill. Usually 2, or even more sometimes, but right after a blast I might drop to 1 cos I'm over pinning. Fucking sucks. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Click to reveal By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. 125mg is sweet spot for most people and don't need AI with that said, you should still verify with bloodwork since everybody is different. /r/PEDs is dedicated to information about enhancing performance. Then, after actually getting on TRT, another challenge often rears its ugly head, and that is Estrogen control, and how to go about doing it safely and most effectively. Scan this QR code to download the app now. I feel just right. But you for sure need to have an AI on hand just in case you Arimidex is only approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Hey guys, newbie to AAS here and wanted to run my cycle by you guys and see if you have any feedback or changes you would make. Well actually, not really, because there are a disturbing amount of doctors entrusted to treat patients properly who are actually completely incompetent when it comes to proper treatment during HRT. Our objective is to create an in-depth background of performance enhancing drugs from every background while building a community around discussion of these substances. Anyway, I'd say I feel like a new person, but really, I just feel like who I used to be, and that's fine with me. This couldnt be further from the truth, and it explains why many individuals embark on their anabolic cycles with a misconception that they need an AI in there at a particular dosage to prevent side effects.. The dose seems to be a total waste unless you are at a size when steroids arent needed The goal you should have is to keep your Estrogen between 20-30 pg/ml for the entirety of your cycle, regardless of what dosage of AI is necessary to achieve that.