IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. Maybe it's just me but it seems you can't change the relationship between the loft of the club and the spin, given you're putting the same swing on it. Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? QEight Advanced Members 3.6k Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted August 8, 2014 Mizuno MP30 5 - PW, AXE Excaliber stiff, Hogan Apex PC E Wedge (50*) TT DG s300 Bending a golf club allows you to change the angle of your club, which is an effective way of changing your ball flight. However, correcting the loft and angle by bending the clubs is a super quick way of fixing this issue. Now tilt the club grip end down a bit so that the club's toe comes up off the ground a fair bit and you'll see the pencil now points subtantially more leftward than before. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). Albion, MI 49224 Upload or insert images from URL. [quote name='ijohnson' timestamp='1441070745' post='12242666'] Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. Players have been doing this for a long time. [/quote] I think I know the answer, but would love to hear everyone's reasons. Of the 59 irons surveyed in the chart, if a traditional 7-iron is 34 (thanks to this GolfWeek article ), that means 15 of them are 34 or 1 weaker than traditional loft, AND 44 are 1 or more stronger. This is especially true of clubs made with long hosels. Standard length and lie are perfect for me. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. By Greyson P. I just purchase a great used 712 AP2 set. and for the mechanics I would recommend working on ball position. [/quote] Given that bending your golf clubs is all about fine margins, its far too easy to get it wrong when you do it yourself, so its much better to entrust the process with a fitter who has the experience and the right equipment! I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. I bent my MP-32 2 degree strong, my natural ball flight is high along with the low COG on the irons. If you don't like bend them back. Most guys would love to have a little extra spin on those longer irons to hold greens, personally I would tweak the swing a bit but I wouldn't really change to much else as you have a huge advantage having that little extra spin there with a club like a 6 iron. Every 1* is about 3 yards each way 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph In other words, make your 7 the length and lie of an 8, which should reduce the spin a bit. Hoofer, Ecco, Bushnell Titleist Response to USGA / R&A Distance Insights. more upright = more of a draw, more flat= fade. Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. Production Manager Wesley Turner: Five Years in the Bag. 2 degrees up from what? Irons bent strong? - WRX Club Techs - GolfWRX A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. tiger used 2 weak one his old iron i dont know if he still using it, Ping G430LST w/ TPT 14HI / Synergy green 75tx / Ventus TR blue You could just buy them cut down half an inch and lies bent accordingly, which would maintain the same look. Why not take one more club, and how much distance do you gain with 1*. [/quote] Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. It would definitely not work for me but might be ok for you. Hogan was big into this. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. This is the most important tweak you can make to your golf clubs bigo2398, August 31, 2015 in WRX Club Techs. [/quote] The most common reason for playing a stronger loft is to fill a gap in the bag, usually the long irons (lots of 4 irons bent strong) but throughout the set it would be uncommon to see more than 1* difference from standard either way. They sit better to my eye on the ground, the leading edge is noticeably lower and seems to line up with the hosel better (for lack of a better way to put it). However, given the fact that you can bend your golf clubs for as little as $5 by taking them to a professional club fitter, its probably best not to attempt it yourself if you dont have the right equipment. To avoid this, make sure to take your irons to a golf pro at least once a year. What bouncedoes is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. [quote name='AustinA' timestamp='1444322114' post='12428254'] Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x 3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2" 4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2" 4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400. XXIO X Series 5 Wood! When buying shoes I noticed a lot of the shoes in the stores inventory were size 10. Ping G400 Testing G410. You will notice the strike feels much more energetic and the ball flies totally different when you get it right. I noticed when looking in the for sale forum, that there are alot of irons bent like this. I am 6 ft tall but have short arms and stand upright so standard clubs are horrible for me. Iomic Golf Grips: 8 Key Facts Before You Buy. It will just require substituting a hybrid for the 5 iron and up rather than for the 4 iron and up. This will change the trajectory of the ball, and can potentially cause misdirected shots. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. Both Rory and Day hit big moon balls. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. R11S 8* square; Stock stiff [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? [/quote] None of the top 100 PGA Tour pros uses regular iron shafts. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. [/quote] By the way, thank you all for your input! Remember, the set is not necessarily progressively consistent from one club to another, and therefore each club should be checked. How do they test to determine which launch angle best suits you. Bending the hosel toward or away from the face plane, opens or closes the clubs face angle. There's a reason good players don't just grab any club off the rack and change their swing to match the clubs. When you start messing with length, then you also mess with swing weight and then adding weight to compensate for the SW can start messing with the flex of the shaft. was good. Testing for correct lie angle is very easy - they'll put some tape along the sole of the club and get you to hit balls off a lie board (just a hard surface, can use the mat also but a good flat hard surface makes the mark easier to see). After all, manufacturing golf clubs and ensuring the loft and angle on each club is no easy feat, so its not something that you should experiment with. While the result of bending strong may be that short/mid irons go further, it won't help on the top end of the bag. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). X Hot Pro 16 w/Rogue Black Machines with fixed measuring gauges will not be accurate when measuring clubs with offset, progressive offset, or face progression hosel positions. Or Ping Glide Stealth, 54,58 SS. Stronger iron lofts don't always create more distance After being bent, high-quality cast clubs dont go back to their original position either, ensuring you achieve the desired results after bending your clubs. Can then bend the irons to get the sole level at impact - or with Ping you'll order them to suit. 2. Wish he could drop the loft down to 7.5* Upright. To make sure shots are flighted properly, lighter shafts are usually used in stronger-lofted models, like the KBS Max in Callaway's Rogue and TaylorMade M4. Note where the player's 'natural' lie angle is - ie the neutral/normal lie angle as above - but then intentionally bend the lie angle to mitigate their hook/slice tendencies. 6-iron launch: 17* [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] What Weaker Lofts or Weakening Lofts Means in Golf Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email patrick@mitchellgolf.com. By doing this, you'll ensure that your irons stay in a proper shape. Which is more typical to change? Ultimately, your answer is yes, you can do this. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. So, unless you plan on bending a significant number of golf clubs (and you plan on doing it more than once), it makes much more sense to pay a club-fitter to bend your golf clubs on your behalf. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] 2 deg flat seems to work pretty well for me. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Quote Link to comment Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. Another reason why stronger lofts don't always mean more distance is something I do frequently to help golfers hit the ball farther weaken lofts. move it forward again, then repeat. 6-iron launch: 17* 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph tiger does it, hyuck hyuck. You probably have hair as well. thanks, Any help would be much appreciated! You can strengthen the loft, which will reduce the spin and travel further but won't really fix your problem which I think is too much spin for given trajectory and distance. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By This can significantly alter the way that you strike the ball and can save you a fortune as far as upgrading, or changing clubs is concerned. Odyssey Pro #1 black Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 235 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. 7 iron 32 171 It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. See What Members Are Saying! Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. Mizuno irons can be adjusted to varying degrees depending on model and material type. Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210). It is all about fitting. somewhere between where you currently play it and ludicrous is a new, improved, boring flight. If you strengthen iron lofts, how much does bounce become an issue? Taylormade M6Callaway Steelhead XR 4+Mizuno MP-18 mb 4-PWTitliest SM7 50f, 54s, 58dSC Phantom X 5.5. Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. TM tends to increase the bounce on their irons about 50% of the loft change. Annealing ensures a more consistent grain structure in the metal; heat treatment makes the head hard enough to withstand constant golf ball impacts. When you get your set of irons, make sure that both thew lofts AND the lies are checked for consistency. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph. [/b][/size] Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. Mine are a degree flat guess I'm opposite of the norm. Pasted as rich text. Like said earlier there is no "real" standard. It is all about fitting. After all, golf clubs are designed in such a way to ensure that you can pick the precise club out of your bag to hit the ball the required distance. Bending the loft is another story. What no one else has mentioned is that your 6 iron numbers are almost ideal for that club. Vice versa if the club is upright. Then again, I'm not sure that the spin you are talking about is a problem. Callaway XR Pro 9* Matrix Red Tie 65x ENTER NOW! Copyright 2023 Mitchell Golf Equipment Company. Using a club bending machine to change the angle on a golf club is among the fastest ways to improve a players ball flight. Look at a face on vid at impact and notice hand/front wrist position. March 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM Why not take one more club, and how much distance do you gain with 1*. Callaway Rogue Max LS 9* Tensei AV Blue 6, Titleist TSi3 strong 3w 13.5* PX HSRDUS black 70, Titleist TS3 19* hybrid Tensei Blue/Titleist TS3 23* TenseiBlue, Vokey SM8 50*F & 56*M Callaway Jaws MD5 60*. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? Repeat a few times for checking, and can check a few different irons ie 7 and 9 and 5 etc to confirm your general tendency. In other words, they might not be progressively consistent from one club to another, which means your distances might be out. In most instances, this means investing in high-tech golf bending machine that allows you to adjust your clubs by about two degrees. Show Your True Colors With Mitchell Golfs Custom Color Program. XXIO X Series 5 Wood! 15% of the top 100 PGA Tour pros use stiff shafts in their irons including Hideki Matsuyama, Corey Connors, and Matt Kuchar. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. But weight is not the only trick at a club designer's disposal. This applies to both face angle and lie. TXG Custom PXG 0211 6-pw, 1* flat, Recoil ESX 460 R. Callaway MD5 46*, Tour Issue DG S200. Or do people change launch angle to decrease bounce? So, no matter the type of golf irons that you have, you can bend them to adjust their degrees of loft. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. The bounce angle will also change when making the clubs stronger or weaker. TXG Custom Mizuno T20, 50/05, 59/06, Nippon 950H Neo. Now of course this does not apply to all golfers by any means. It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. A standard golf shop, or fitting center will be able to do this. I had a lot of success bringing my spin rate and trajectory down to something more playable in the wind by tweaking the lofts a little strong. I do feel like I need to improve my spin loft, but I know tweaking the clubs might help as well. MEMBER REVIEWS: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! Thanks. My swing has changed over the years a fair bit, yet i've always needed irons a bit upright from standard (a Euro standard although even that isn't really set in stone or anything).. A wide back milled slot enhances the clubhead's stability on off-center strikes Added perimeter weighting with toe-bias Covered with a pearl brush finish Pros Soft feel at the impact on strikes out of the middle Promotes accelerated ball speed in your 4 to 7 iron shots Reduced offset allows for better shot workability The only way you would see a difference is if you put them side by side with another set of Ap2's that are not bent. I would advise you to not try it yourself unless you have experience in doing so professionally. Your link has been automatically embedded. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? It will just require substituting a hybrid for the 5 iron and up rather than for the 4 iron and up. By PING's i210 are the second most popular with 8 using them. I was able to do a Mizuno demo show and the rep fit me for mp62's. [/quote]tango xray 3 3 gives a great visual during practice with that hoop! For example, when the club is flat, the toe of the club makes contact first and gets slowed down a bit so the clubface opens a bit promoting a fade. Will that change the playability of the irons dramatically? [/quote] Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. For example, when the club is flat, the toe of the club makes contact first and gets slowed down a bit so the clubface opens a bit promoting a fade. Why is it so popular to bend your irons 2 degrees up? Non-Tapered Golf Grips: 8 Facts to Know Before You Buy! See What Members Are Saying! Pros can easily hit their 7 iron over 170 yards or more. i.e. Therefore, if youre planning to bend your high-quality cast clubs, our advice remains the same check in with a local club fitter in your area and ask them to complete the work on your behalf. Fit the lie angle so that when [b]YOU[/b] swing that club the sole of the club is 'flat' to the ground ie neither too upright nor too flat - this is when the impact tape on the sole of the club will show the impact/rubbing to be in the middle of the sole. You should absolutely give it a try with a few clubs and see what you think, you can always go back and it might just work. They know how much torque to put on the hozzel. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. The iron will roll 'open' when bent strong. clemsondds, August 1, 2009 in WRX Club Techs, Hey guys, just wondering if some of ya'll can explain why people bend their irons up to 2 degrees? Leather Golf Grips Review: Should I Use Them? Ok thanks ya'll. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable An affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon. Loft and lie changes are more or less permanent. Thanks for your perspective on this. Your previous content has been restored. 1001 Industrial Blvd Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. 1. Cobra King LTD 17* w/Blueboard, Scor 50* RTX3 54* MD5 58* Paste as plain text instead, Of the other main manufacturers used . Callaway Apex Pro 16 KBS Tour V x Look at a face on vid at impact and notice hand/front wrist position. If they can market a club that will cut down on that slice they are going to sell more clubs. That isn't the best or correct way by any means.it's just a tool. It is all about fitting. 5 iron 26 198 Edel E-3 Torque Balanced 36", 345g, Golf Pride Tour SNSR Contour 104cc While the result of bending strong may be that short/mid irons go further, it won't help on the top end of the bag. Reset Password Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. Titleist does recommend no more than +/- 2 degrees from factory and you should be ok. Any more and there is a risk of the stress cracks in the hosel area (primarily cosmetic). Clear editor. Players have been doing this for a long time. It has to do with posture and arm length and swing arc. You cannot paste images directly. What Irons Do the Pros Use? Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide (2021) [quote name='cxx' timestamp='1441038802' post='12239622'] Bending irons to stronger lofts and the effect on bounce My question is, what kind of test would they do to determine whether I should adjust my launch? It also improved my gapping, even though they were all bent the same 2* strong. 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM. Display as a link instead, I'm curious about this as well. SeeMore M6 Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. We also conclusively say whether or not you should bend your clubs yourself or take them to a custom club fitter to take care of the process for you. [quote name='tx33' timestamp='1444281825' post='12426402'] And that changes the flight of the ball right? The key variable ( among other variables) is the distance from your wrists to the ground at address. The mark on the sole will show if your clubhead is level or toe up or down at impact. As far as launch angle goes, that isnt really as important on irons because you have so many of them (compared to 1 driver etc). It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. [/quote] [size=5][b] I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. then reapeat, but, move the ball more forward(note the change). The #1 reason for doing this is it changes how the club will sit on the ground. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? Since the upright lie tends to assist golfers in hitting the ball right to left, it's going to help the masses who tend to have to commonest swing fault - left to right. It seems like some of you are talking about loft and some are talking about lie angle. They are just tweaking the sets to fit their distance needs. [quote name='Dan Drake' timestamp='1441041993' post='12239944'][quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] He wanted to see the club face wide open. So that could be the difference. No, they are talking about the lie, not the loft.
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