(With regard to CHRIS' background and upbringing.) In front of Shanann was Chris dad holding hands with Bella and Chris mom walked beside his dad. JAMIE left numerous times after high school and would always move back home. We just love you. I am a family therapist and wondered exactly the same. At the very least, he may have felt theyd be inclined to forgive him given their own difficulties with Shanann, and certainly, Ronnie Watts has already told the media, If hes guilty, I can live with that.. The day that bitch died was the best day ever, Cindy watts was toxic to that marriage. That day had to be hugely significant in her life because the father of her own child wasnt around, and because her own father then and there wasnt exactly father of the year, in fact for the previous months hed been threatening to divorce Cindy Anthony and that meant they all might lose the house. That has got to hurt, though, if Chris Watts and Shan'ann's big day was all about Shan'ann, and Chris' family weren't even there. They cant have been too bad then!!! Shes a piece of work, that one. Im not attempting to conflate the two choices, just the fact of the toll it took on them. Such a terribly sad case. I think they were allowed video calls, though. Youre right, many comparisons to be made. Ten years later the Anthonys are still fighting to keep their home, Scott Petersons disliked or felt superior to Lacis, https://www.websleuths.com/forums/search/2228646/, Christopher Watts: What else do we know? CW's sister Jamie Throughout all my reading of the case I've never seen much about his sister Jamie (who I believe was Jamie Watts Williams according to SW's fb). It wouldnt surprise me if Cindy Watts talked to Chris after the nut explosion and said Look, I am so sick of Shanann and those girls, if you dont divorce her or just get rid of her then I will tell her about your affair. What if he married Shanann because, in some strange way, she reminded him of his mom? The nut incident. and our If only his wife had a clue he was this dangerous, she could have had a fighting chance to get away from him. I watched the doc on Netflix, and I think theres a lot going on that no one will ever know. This mother in law was rude to her the first time they met. This suggests Mothers Day and Fathers Day in 2018, in the Watts home, were hugely significant milestones, particularly with a third baby on the way. What pictures did you use for the service? Watts asked his mother during the explosive one-on-one two-hour special. Do you hear yourself? We know in the months leading up to the murders, for Fathers Day [June 17th, 2018] Shanann posted pictures of her father on her wedding day. If only Chris got a divorce. By boycotting the wedding, CWs family not only rejected ShanAnn herself, but they rejected her entire family as well. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Chris Watts book Chris Watts' sister Jamie Watts. True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek. [Ten years later the Anthonys are still fighting to keep their home]. Jump to Sections of this page I thought it was odd. But it does change the dynamics So Cindy Watts didn't attend her son's wedding. Does anyone know if shes ever made any kind of public statement or opinion? Any cookies that may not be particularly necessary for the website to function and is used specifically to collect user personal data via analytics, ads, other embedded contents are termed as non-necessary cookies. Cindy KNEW about the nut allergy, but did not believe it was serious, so she left chocolate out for the 3-year-old to get into and fed her peanut ice cream. This nightmare has to be over for everybody.. This category only includes cookies that ensures basic functionalities and security features of the website. I wish I could ask you more, Cindy murmured. I didnt get all with my In Laws at all. That had nothing to do with it. They have no history with law enforcement,domestic violence or mental problems. Chris Watts is a liar and like all sociopath narcissist did a smear campaign on Shanann. She made Chris into what he is today, a monster. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Archived post. Likewise, Chris has a sister named Jamie Lyn Williams. You are right Nan, Shanan should not have gone on Facebook to vent about her mother in law and the dangerous nuts incident. One of the younger kids at the house pulled out some ice cream. Am I the only one that finds it strange that Jamie is a respiratory therapist? I do think it was horrible that they didnt go to the wedding. Same year Shanann and Chris filed for bankruptcy. Just Like you. We know what she was like. Its just the beginning of something else Chris, but your story doesnt end here. Chris just saw red and let his moms words take over.. Charged with misdemeanor child abuse. Ronnie and Chris seemed to get this yet it ate away at something inside them so much they both resorted to extreme measures to ultimately cope: Ronnie cocaine and Chris murder. Maybe thats putting it too strongly: that if he did what he did they wouldnt blame him. This was supposed to be a beautiful time in Shannans and Chris life. I saw an interview with one of Chris Watts former mistresses, not Nichol but the one before her. I think it looks foolish for her to write the book with her mother denying illness and allergies while being in the health care industry. you can see that just in the text messages in the documentary. Those invested in the case have wondered why she has yet to speak out. Although both families essentially lived in the same town, they apparently did not know each other or regularly cross paths, so this would have been a valuable opportunity to get to know each other better, since the families would now be linked together via the happy couple. Surely that will be dealt with harshly at a later date. His father worked as a Parts Manager for a Ford dealership. I can see responsibility on both sides the mother to be mature and wise enough to accept the sons choice of wife, and the new wife working to accept her husbands family but in this case, ShanAnns the one who ended up paying the price. Powered by BlueHost . Id fight. They even believed it was justified. Trust me., We support you 100%. If Chris Watts had simmering resentments, then the enmity between his wife and his mother could only have turned on the heat even further. You say that he killed his family because he wanted a new life with his mistress, not because he disliked his wife, so did he kill his wife because he liked her then? Shes fighting because its her son. Two camps. This sub is for factual information, mourning, and speculative discussion only - no harassment of the victims or family members. We know what she was like. For me, this revelation enmity between Shanann and Cindy Watts reminds me of two aspects in two other cases. It is a well documented mindset and interesting factoid, many of these murders take place on Sundays in August. You were the kindest, kindest person there ever was, the mother continued. bothered him. So rehash all the old disputes and wounds, nothing stands but his murderous actions. Chris Watts got flowers for me yesterday for fun, Shanann Watts says on Thanksgiving Day. The women had all drawn lines in the sand and that takes a toll on everyone, I think. He killed his family because he wanted a new life with his mistress not because he disliked his wife. Have a tip? Chris, I forgive you, and your sister forgives you and we will never abandon you.. Dont ever babysitok? Chris Watts speaks to his sister Jamie from Prison - WATTS FAMILY TAPES Watts The Truth 1.21K subscribers Subscribe 580 Share Save 69K views 2 years ago CHRIS WATTS SPEAKING TO HIS. Your stories not over. as shown by the way he disposed of his childrens bodies, you can plainly see that he never actually felt anything close to human emotion towards them. Though I have no idea how he can sleep at night definitely didnt end up with the mistress being in jail and all. Both these families, had multiple discord amongst them all. Chris Watts's prison girlfriend is Anna Nowak, who currently lives in Wisconsin, where Chris Watts is serving his sentence. Shannan seemed to be a great mom, was beautiful, kept a beautiful house, worked hard, and loved her son. i believe it was 100% premeditated by the family to give shannan the pills. Anyone who left a child with the Watts family were completely ignorant of how truly dangerous it was. But opting out of some of these cookies may have an effect on your browsing experience. THANK YOU. On the one hand he had his wife complaining, and on the other, a lover selling him dreams. Let me end with saying that I dont know what happened that night, but I think that its a tragedy we can all expect to learn from. Maybe one day?. Zoom in on his eyes. I think he hated Shanann at the moment he killed her. Following their sons admission, Ronnie and Cindy Watts protected Chris innocence, claiming his lawyer talked him into confessing to a crime with mounting evidence against him whether he committed those acts or not. That only happens when youre not serious about the wedding. 2 counts I also dont think she would have said she would tell about his affairs. At 58 seconds in the clip below Cindy Watts seems to have made peace with the fact that her son killed Shanann: CINDY: He did kill her uh[chews gum]but for the kids, no. Not sure what more she wanted in a daughter-in-law. She was smart and beautiful and had family, she didnt need him. In 2019, Chris neighbor spoke out about what he saw the night Chris allegedly murdered his family. I note from the discovery file she also had a troubled relationship with SW so it would interesting to know more. Pro-family, pro-killer. Its so difficult for me to fathom not getting along your, Ill just call it same-sex in-law because it happens in both cases. How could she be so without human empathy that Chris Wattss mother says its okay if he killed Shannan? Archived post. It falls apart even further when you consider he didnt only kill Shanann, but terminated the pregnancy and also killed his own children. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. What memories [and resentments] might this have triggered in Chris Watts two months before the murders? I agree. No excuse for murder none at all. Theres nothing to really uncover of why he would have killed his wife! The Petersons were fairly wealthy when Scott Peterson was born, and he was spoiled and treated like a Golden Child. Just not now. But notice that, in the wake of NutGate, Chris commented to ShanAnn that she had put a dagger between him and his *father*. Cookie Notice This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. o JAMIE is seven (7) years older than him. Total narcissism. These cookies do not store any personal information. There are two camps: pro-innocent-victims and pro-murderer. Was it because he was somehow saving them from something? Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. CW had tended to side with Shanann against his mother until not long before the horrendous murders. he met Nicky Kessinger and wanted a fresh new start, and to an empty vessel of a soul narcissist, that meant eliminating his family, not divorcing his wife, but eliminating her. Shanann was always in control. Thats just not factual at all. Chris may have felt caught in the middle and reacted by withdrawing from the field of battle, went mute, then AWOL, then the dark side. She should have wrote them ALL off from day one. They appeared to be walking through an open mall cafes, shops the sun was setting. Well that maybe true according to Cindy however please explain the 80 bridal invitations that never got mailed in the attempts to embarrass Shanann with no one showing up. A child can die from eating even the tiniest piece of nut. The books provide a much deeper and more thorough analysis. Its probable that she really did not want to be part of the wedding party to begin with (under constant pressure from Cindy). August 1, 2018: Chris Watts' First Day in North Carolina #1yearagotodayCW. Blocking them on Facebook, refusing to come to Celestes birthday, sending her gift to Colorado rather than sending it over to her birthday party. In March 2021, it was revealed that the pair were still in contact while he serves five life sentences at the Dodge Correctional Institution in Waupun, Wisconsin. A whole family of narcissists. You misfit husband and misfit daughter are the only ones who could and can. We didnt attend because Shanann and I just couldnt get along. Hold on. Yes, a lot of mom denial. WHY???? When I see Chris pictures from when he was younger, I see dead eyes. That also echoes what Chris Watts said on the porch when a reporter mentioned a search dog going into the house, and the sidewalk crawling with cops and police cruisers. I mean are you for real? Not sure the outcome. His mother worked as a secretary and notary for a used car dealership. I had a fantastic relationship with my mother-in-law. "Where the hell. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Then she gave Bella an icecream with nuts in it and left CeCe with none as she did not buy any special nut free food. Would you put your child, no seatbelt, in a car with a drunk driver. One of the primary activities at a wedding is to enable the two sides of the family to meet and get to know each other. I bet so was Chris mom. I dont think a trial is the only way of getting to those skeletons, though. Yeah Gabby, and it sure is too bad that we cant clear this all up and move on well we can, but Shanan, CeeCee and Bella cannot because Chris Watts choked them to death. So, Shannans reaction was on point. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. I agree there are basically two camps one pro Shanann and one pro Chris. THAT is what Shanann was dealing with. Chris Watts with his Sister Wife, Children & Relationships Chris met Shanann Watts in 2010; she was an independent representative for a multilevel marketing company called 'Le-vel,' which is focused on selling the wellness product called 'Thrive.' She was human and had flaws just like all of us. I have been able to skim through the 2,000 pages of investigation notes. I would never go by myself with my children to visit such a vicious woman like Cindi. I think Cindy probably encouraged Jaime to not send them or even throw them away. We just love you. You usually tell that person and give them the option of asking someone else. Jamies husband has worked hard getting his job. I think the whole family dynamics, along with the extended family, was just very toxic. Go ahead and make up stuff. Cindy insisted her son is not a sociopath and justice had not been served. Was Shannan a saint? And was it just me or was it in poor taste (to say the least), Jamie talking to Chris about her kids and what they've been doing, pretending as if he HADN'T JUST MURDERED HIS OWN CHILDREN, JAMIE'S OWN NIECES?! If you nodded your head while saying no is also a lie. We also know on June 9th, Shanann had a massive meltdown at Cindy Watts home, an event that occurred plumb in the middle between Mothers Day and Fathers Day. I like your take on this. For more information, please see our I had a wonderful mother in law and I take from her how to treat a daughter in law. Secondly, my impression while researching the Scott Peterson case was that the Petersons didnt think that much of Laci, or Lacis family. Cindy replied: No, I cant lose you. Shananns the root of evil? Nothing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that Shanann did merited a death sentence. They dont usually kill their spouse if they want to move on, nor do they normally kill a spouse they like. She left a bag of pistachio nuts down on a low shelf, within reach of a 3 year old. I call him Pennywise, make of that mom de guerre what you will. Killing his own child insideI think its the opposite. Others on his approved list from 2019 include parents Ronnie and Cynthia Watts, sister Jamie Williams and three other friends. Jamie Middleton Kerry Milligan Jodi Noble Julie Pierce Kimberlee Reimann Padilla* Ann Siner* Sue Singer Dr. Craig Thatcher* Cindy Treacy Cindy Watts Daryl Weil Dr. Kathy Wigal Patty Withycombe Susan Yannitelli *Arizona Humane Society Board of Directors. Growing up, he lived with his mother, father, and sister (JAMIE). i havent seen anyone bring her up or the fact that she even works at a hospital, or even as suspect for nicos murder but she def is in my book. She doesnt show up for critical, life-altering-for-immediate-family court dates either, does she? And he knows he is being recorded. Maybe one day, snapped Watts. A MUM killed alongside her two kids has had her final moments revealed in her evil husband's sick prison letters. ago. I couldnt be on his or his familys side. These men are what is know as Family Annihilators. Those invested in the case have wondered why she has yet to speak out. Shananns brother cared about everybody, saying he thought he had a brother, but Chriss mother cared more about making excuses for him than what he did, Shananns brother Frankie was charged with child abuse in 2015 or 2016. Thank you! Thats all I mean. They absolutely refuse to accept it. Am I to assume that you are the author of Cindys book? There cant be a reason or any underlying dynamic leading to murder, nor can there be any premeditation. Shanann just exaggerated the shit out of it, like all their health issuesherself included. Your comment fully reveals how humans can distort and exaggerate most of what they hear. He's also said it over the phone to people. As for being attracted to Nichol Kessinger I can see why she is Gorgeous and unfortunately too often people go by looks and forget about character. If you look at her while she is saying that here head is moving side to side, that usually indicates that someone is lying. Every time he sees a wedding photo, he remembers it wasnt quite the perfect day the photos suggested it was. Cindy Watts had a great hand in manipulating her daughter and husband to side with her against Shannan. If they got along great, then thats a possible theory. He was sentenced to three consecutive life terms in prison plus 84 years in Nov. 2018 for his heinous crimes. Great relationship, so its hard for me to picture dynamics like what Shanann and Cindy had. I cant imagine anyone willfully doing something that could cause the death of a child that they love. I left the project because as I have publicly stated I believe his primary targets were his children. #chriswatts, A post shared by Nick van der Leek (@nickvdleek) on Oct 30, 2018 at 12:28am PDT. Gabby is actually Cindy Watts lmao. No, thats not quite right either. Perhaps they also didnt think that it was that serious? As soon as we intuit a reason, that is a motive, the Shanann camp get very angry. How could they be this stupid. Celestes nut allergy was a bunch of BS. Privacy Policy. Tell it to God some day. But Cindy seems to have been quite down to Earth, simple and practical, and Shanann none of those things. Likewise, Chris's birthplace is Spring Lake, North Carolina, U.S., and his zodiac sign is Taurus. Shannan was at the height of wedding planning which is the most stressful time, and she probably decided she couldnt deal with Jamies lack of involvement. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Expect a lot of aggression and animosity from the Shanann camp. Thats it. Maybe for peace . Chris Watts: Voted most likely to succeed in the Class of 2003 Their rage is deep seated and ends in a final act of murder, which seem totally out of character to all who felt they knew them. Her only mistake was marrying into a toxic family.